Looking forward to the civil trial.
Growing couldn't roll up his window?

Pinellas Prosecutors are idiots!
They will waste millions on domestic violence issues.
But walk away from a easy murder conviction?This is a judges decision. NOT THE TOWN DRUNK!!!
Here hear for the town drunk Bernie "when's happy hour" McCabe and his village idiot minion bill l
A sad day for justice.w

I guess you don't physically attack people if you don't want to get shot.

Where is the baker family on this message board now? I asked back in May was Brandon intoxicated? Well here we are in September and we have found out he was drunk and high on coke. He thought he was hard and tried to attack Seth and got delt with and thats that! Of course there shouldnt be any charges here! Thankfully no innocent people where out there that night that got hurt before Seth took care of this felon who indangered other peoples lives!

One innocent person did get hurt...Seth Browning's reputation and the stress that this put on him and his family. The Baker's website time & time again slandered Seth Browning. They stalked the Browning family, making them go into hiding. The Baker's hatred & malicousness towards Seth was unacceptable and the lied that they swore to were false. Too bad that this will clear only his name and not the harm that the slanderious remarks that haunted them. Congrats on being cleared, Seth. We never doubted you for one minute.
And YES, I AM related to Seth Browning!

For those reading these comments for the first time connected to this article….I want to initially state that I have no (whatsoever) ties or relations, to any parties involved. I have followed this case since day one and I am simply a working citizen of Pinellas County with opinions as we all have……..It is pleasant to hear the justice workers in our county, took the necessary time to diligently investigate through all the evidence pertaining to this particular case, resulting in the clear and accurate final judgment. It is difficult for me to refrain from expressing several opinions I possess, in relation to the Baker family’s actions that led up to this final judgment. I can’t imagine how difficult it would be in attempting to not only cope with their loved one’s death, but also attempting to protect their loved one’s name and character. I get it. Yet, perhaps they can learn from Mr. Browning’s actions, while the case was still under investigation. I understand it is much easier to be said, than it is to follow through with, yet sucking up your pride and biting your lips during this process, would have been in the best interest for Brandon’s sake. Attempting to refute opinions (numerous turned out to be facts) with bold lies and/or slandering attacks on our county officials and what appears to be an upstanding citizen, is simply classless and disappointing.

. In addition, Mr. Ed Shultz, I’m assuming you’re an orthodox Mormon whom has never been seen sipping a cold one, during happy hour? Or were you one of the numerous ‘tanked’ at Mr. Baker’s ‘benefit concert’? Perhaps you need to “slow your roll” because your statement regarding the reasons Mr. Browning simply didn’t “roll his window up” is as ludicrous as your desperate, frivolous accusations. Regarding the civil case…….I understand the burden of proof requires the plaintiff to convince the judge or jury, thus is a change from the criminal case. However, it is difficult for me to believe, any other right-minded individual(s) will determine a different ending result, than the one we just received by the State. If anything, Mr. Browning has more of a ‘case’ to pursue civil action, than does the Baker family. The Baker family should be grateful of Seth’s behaviors after the unfortunate incident, in addition to be fortunate that Brandon’s brother was not (yet) criminally charged. Hopefully all parties will learn from this unfortunate tragedy and be able to move on with their lives in a productive manner, without future vindictive actions.

I have been warped into Idiotville!! Have you all gone mad?? This man pursued a drunk driver and then shot him to death~ that's why when you call 911 you should let the proper authorities handle it. If he would have stepped aside and waited for the authorities to respond I don't think this young man would have been shot but rather properly arrested and having to face charges on driving under the influence. This case is similar to a Neighborhood watch situation, I wonder if it will have the same outcome? I'm not a lawyer or a judge but I don't believe DUI holds a death penalty!

I agree with the "stand your ground" law but I'm not sure if you should be able to pursue and instigate someone and then claim self defense. I'm sure this case is going to be referred to in courtrooms across the country~ welcome to the new world of Vigilante Citizens and the fine line between legal and illegal!

I'm so saddened to hear that this murderer will go free. I know it makes me feel less safe in the community. Seth Browning's story had changed from time to time about why he pulled over. On his 911 call all he did was curse and reflect how this is horrible for him, not for the dead man on the road that he just shot for no reason. There is something missing in this case. Still makes no sense why follow someone drunk driving to their home in a foreign place to you at 2 am in the morning. Very sad. The timelines don't add up. I just find it doubtful that the murderer Browning would have even followed had he not had a loaded weapon in his lap. Tragic. I pray for the Baker family that they may be able to move on someday.

Hey Paul... If you think you are going to be vigilant and hunt someone down I would think you would have the brains to realize someone just may fight back! Do you really think you can go chasing people (especially at 2 am) and NOT expect trouble?? I would agree if you are sitting in your car and some random person reaches in to assault you, you would defend yourself but NOT if you instigate it!! I hope you teach your children or family members NOT to look for trouble because when you look for trouble you are bound to find it! You must be as stupid as the shooter~ if you want to save and protect be a cop and get the PROPER training on "how to" handle a situation. Crazy when mall cops can go prey on citizens~ Browning needs an attitude adjustment!! I hope he doesn't take his case too lightly and continue to hunt down, shoot, and kill DUI drivers!

Justice Forall - I take offense to you calling me a pansy. Who the hell are you? If you don't drive drunk and high on cocaine, you don't put yourself in a situation where you might end up dead. If there were cops out at 2am on the road to see this idiot driving drunk, people like Seth Browning wouldn't have to call 911 to report these idiots and try and get their license plate. You don't know all the facts, nor do I. So you can make whatever claims or assumptions you want. I will stand MY ground and say I am happy there are people like Seth Browning who care enough to get people who shouldn't be on the road OFF the road. What went down was clearly due to drinking and drugs. Period. And FYI, last thing I would want to be is a cop in Pinellas. The laziest bunch of clowns I've ever seen!

Hey Nunya you are not very bright! He wasn't just drunk he was high on cocaine! which makes him a felon!!!! Whats scary is that there is people as ignorant as you in this community!

Nobody is stating that Seth Browning didn't make any bad decision(s). But one can argue that Mr. Baker's bad decisions outweighed Seth's by far. Seth's bad decision was following Mr. Baker until a COMPLETE STOP was made by all parties. Mr Baker's bad decisions: driving all the way to a Hudson bar with the intent of excessively drinking (they originally went to the bar because they “knew the owner or bartender“ quotes directly from the Sister of Mr. Baker), potentially even driving to Hudson probably high on cocaine, drinking at least over 5 drinks at the bar, snorting cocaine, getting behind the wheel, after leaving the bar, deciding to be the ‘tough guy’ by suddenly stopping your vehicle to ‘give the business’ to the concerned citizen following you (who apparently you personally waived to follow….yet I personally don’t think that evidence given by Seth was credible)…keep in mind, Mr. Baker was already ‘heated’ from the recent argument with his girlfriend at 7Eleven and had knowledge his brother would be soon driving up on this situation, out numbering the citizen…..after throwing punches and being pepper sprayed, continuing with his attempt to punch and assault the citizen (which is the probable result of being on cocaine)……game over. If his drunken and high brother would have hit and injured a citizen attempting to drive home that same night, would you have a different opinion of the situation?

All you have to do is read this article. They realsed the states findings.

You shouldn't type things like that to people you don't know nunya. Not nice

And a coward Nunya, is someone that doesn't put there name on something they are commenting about!

Ok you take care dear. Careful driving!! i guess you never know

Those claims were made by Mr. Baker's sister on the previous articles comments (If I recall, she went as far to say that one of the three parties who knew the bartender or owner were attempting to get one of the other two individuals a job at the bar). This was her initial response when someone (potentially myself…I don’t recall….feel free to examine the previous comments from previous articles on the Patch) stated they were probably all drinking at the bar. Thus, her argument was they went to the bar to potentially get a job, rather than to drink. This perhaps could have been the case, yet them not drinking, we know now is simply false. The argument at 7 Eleven was either in the recent article itself or in the media coverage. It is sad and rather disappointing (at least CBS 11 o'clocks local news coverage), the media is attempting to make this unfortunate tragic incident, even more controversial, by intentionally limiting significant facts on the air last night. If I hadn't been following this case since day 1, and watched the news coverage of it last night, I would have been outraged by Seth's actions and perturbed about the final outcome made by the State. However, this couldn't be the furthest from my beliefs knowing the majority of the facts of evidence.

You simply can’t question Seth’s bad decision to follow Mr. Baker, without initially questioning one of numerous bad decisions that Mr. Baker initially made prior to even running into Seth on the road. And if I recall correctly, Seth did call the police, yet he did continue to follow Mr. Baker, in attempts to relay his license number to the cops.

It's disappointing and potentially only exhibits the individual's lack of being responsible for one's actions, for someone to continue to state, "But Seth shouldn't have followed a drunk driver and then shoot him". As mentioned above, if Mr. Baker didn't make numerous poor and ILLEGAL decisions prior, he would not have been in this unfortunate situation. And "War Hero" etc never came from these fingers. Yet, you are inaccurate for calling a 23 year old male, a child. That would make hundreds of thousands of children currently fighting in war for our country.

There is certainly an essence of truth regarding your last comment. However, we do not have close to the amount of character facts regarding Seth as a person, to provide such a premature statement, in reference to one bad decision he made.

First, If you read the prior comments, the information regarding Seth calling the cops prior, as he was following Mr. Baker, came from his own sister! Second, your previous comment is rather desperate and ridiculous. If anything, it appears the Browning party did just that, "shut their mouths" during the investigation process, rather than throwing unnecessary stones at people conducting the investigation and developing (what turned out to be) accurate opinions of the case on all the message boards involving the case.

If you clearly read my initial comments on the most recent articles on this site, you would be aware of my general identity of this case. Of course I haven't conducted a formal investigation of this case. All of my statements are devised based upon the information released by the media, police reports, personal accounts of the Baker family and now personal accounts from Mr. Browning and/or his attorney. In addition, you should be aware of my initial claim stating that, "I get it" in regards to the family wanting to protect their loved one's name. It is only the Baker supporters that are making claims of Seth's character, outside of his judgment made during the incident. It is my opinion that once you begin to analyze a party's past character and actions, it is perceived to be a rather desperate act to seek such negative traits of that party (which has absolutely nothing to do with the case) and generally it only further discredits the people making the personal accusations, along with the party they are attempting to protect or “make look better”. At no time have I attempted to “dig up” dirt on Mr. Baker.

. Rather, I have focused on the events of that particular night. In addition, if I were you, I would move with caution, in regards to seeking Mr. Browning’s past issues. You then simply set yourself up for opening a ‘can of worms’ regarding Mr. Baker’s past issues. I’m assuming that your attempting to claim that Seth is a hypocrite, at best, due to his past driving record and his decision to follow Mr. Baker, due to his erratic driving skills that particular night. That would be a fair statement, yet irrelevant to the legalities of the case. However, I’ve never been interested in dealing with that sort of mess, as it is simply not pertinent to the case at hand.

One last thing......please expand on your statement referencing that I was, "Passing judgement on people from info fed by the media".....?? That is inaccurate and the furthest from being remotely true.

We will never know the whole story as 1 person is dead and only they know the other side. Seth changed his story too. Forgetting to put car in park? maybe. But maybe he rearended Brandon before he stopped and that is why Brandon stopped. They did not investigate Seth very well. They did not confirm his whereabouts after work. They also did not do a toxicology or feild sobriety check on Seth. What may he have been on. I don't know. i think he was a wannabe cop as he stated in the 911 tape. Getting ready to join the academy. Why did he tell dispatchers he was an off duty security guard? Does that matter? It is a bad law that needs a little revision.

The most dangerous people on the road are Drug Dealers taking Drugs. The character and reputation of an individual and their past speaks volumes. When you are dealing drugs to the population you are not a kind gentle person. Are people just plain delusional or blind to the fact of the brothers activity for years ? This is an action/re-action situation and with unfortunate results - but how many lives are taken or destroyed by Drug Dealers ?

BTK - Your comments are accurate and anyone who knows them can tell you much more about there dealings and past actions with violence included. They also have guns just didn't have with them this time.

Again I would support dealing drugs as a capital crime. Enforced by the law and the judicial system.

nunya - you got it and Dale I do understand the loss here is greater than what it should be, but for years actions dodged these deadly events. Sorry for this entire situation especially the Baker family, but again both parties have to accept responsibility on their actions. I am sure knowing the outcomes they both would have altered their decisions. It's just hard to do that when you are drinking/drugging.

nunya you hit the nail on the head

Mark this is the story I am refering
http://www.baynews9.com/content/news/baynews9/news/article.html/content/news/articles/bn9/2012/9/26/exclusive_mom_wants_.html
hope that link works.Regarding the car contact. The only 2 who knows if there was contact is Brandon and Seth. A car following behing them may not notice light contact. Physical evidence would be the same.

So you will blame the addicts and say they are worse than the dealer ? - Doctors today are dealers. I never took a drug in my life and rarely drink - what I am telling you is that I am aware of things over the years on a first hand basis. Don't kill the messenger. It seems like you understand what I am saying, but would like to dis-credit me to invalidate what I am saying. That's your deal - but I know what I state and know first hand. If what you say is correct the only one who knows drug dealers are the users. How about family members of the users who almost die from the dealers.

One story had seth hitting brandons truck because he was blocked in. The other was that he forgot to put it in park. The 2 stories leads me to think it was something else. Just trying to make some sense out of a total mess.

I am related to some of the users and their connections over the past years. I was an innocent victim like the Baker family to the actions of a Drug Dealer - I say both the User and the Dealer are accountable. The Dealer preys on the weakness of his users. Dealers usually are not users.

http://palmharbor.patch.com//articles/deadly-shooting-road-rage-or-stand-your-ground-2e120261

I have not stated my association before that I remember but I will now, I am a resident of the property Seth used to work on and I aslo have a son that went to school with the Bakers he is only a few years older. Seth was highly respected for his work ethic in my community and I have yet to hear a person that lives here express any thoughts that he was a "triggerhappy" individual and that's from people that knew him everyday. I also like to point out the fact that he used a entire pepper spray can until it was empty in attempt to deter these ATTACKERS yes that is plural. I have had exteme interest in this case since day 1 and I see a few others are here with me like Jazz and Mark. I have been waiting so patiently until I could obtain the memo from the state attorney to make comments and now I have it. I stated attackers as plural and have evidence to support! No one can deny now cause I have facts, not quotes from media article but facts. This article we are commenting on comes close but still leaves few minor details out. FOLLOW MY NEXT POST

This is going to be good. Facts from someone who was not there.

I am going to point out a few key facts that most people might have read over and missed or not put thought into. It states that durring Seth and Baker had contact with each other while driving on East Lake road, it explains that Baker passed Seth driving erratically and Seth pulled up next to him TO SEE IF HE WAS ALRIGHT. (This shows that this man had concern for his well being, that's not tailgating or being aggressive) it continues on to say that Brandon GAVE A "THUMBS UP" which Seth interpreted as FOLLOW ME. Now we have something for a open disscussion: reasonably we can say that if he thought Brandon WANTED him to follow then it would be considering that he was aware a confintation was going to occur, which seth stated. CIS officer(not gaurds) are trained to obtain all vehicle information so I'm sure he did that for procaution, which would explain y 911 was not called at that time and the fact that the gun was "IN THE GLOVEBOX" ALSO SHOWS HE HAD NO REASON TO BELIEVE HE WAS ENTERING A BAD SITUATION cause he didn't have it in a defensive place. So with that being said there might not have been any reason there was anything wrong with turning down that road. That might be y he was not charged.

Here is a fact for you! Nobody needed to die that night! No matter wha the evil Baker twins did or your angel Seth Browning. I don't know if you know this but good people make mistakes. Good young firefighters sometimes turn to setting fires. It happens all the time. Same thing happens to young law enforcement prospects. I can't explain why they do it! Seth made a mistake by pursuing Brandon. No he does not deserve to die for it. But he needs to know that this was a mistake and he has some of the responsibilty of this night!

Next I will point out another key point made that Chris and Amy CHANGED THEIR STATEMENTS MULTIPLE TIMES. From their website to their SWORN statements. I see on here that someone claimed Seth changed his but that is not true, NO WHERE HAS SETH EVER GIVEN A STATEMENT EXCEPT TO POLICE. 10 news only directly quoted him saying he didn't want it to be a back and forth game. He has never talked bad about these people like they have done him or spoke at all, that is confirmed from the letter his own lawyer released which is in quotes. So the only known lier is the Bakers. anyone care to debate these facts then look above

Dale ur opinion is based on emotion and I can respect that but Seth was doing the right thing. Drunk drivers kill people everyday, coke heads do worse. If u condone those actions just cause "he was a good guy" then here is ur proof he wasn't such a "good guy" after all. Whether u like it or not HE HAD NO REASON TO ATTACK THAT BOY. HIS BROTHER HAD NO RIGHT TO JOIN IN. SRY FOR UR LOSS, CASE CLOSED

Brownings 911 tape did not state this. He said that brandon ran him off the road.
Here is another problem. He did not have time to put his car in park but he could get his pepper spray and gun out of the glovebox.
You need to learn what a fact is!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The state attorney even recognized that Seth changed his story. They did not have enough evidence to charge him due to no credible sober witnesses.

Security might not be law enforcement but its still in the job line of "public service" just like a lw enforcement officer. Security is there to protect us also and have training to do it(I don't know how much but I know they go to a school). I think the fact that he didn't have to swear he would do his job shows good integrity, its not like he tried to arrest him like a cop he has reporting it. The bad decitions are apparent, its never a good idea to do anything for a stranger in my opinion but people do it all the time like giving rides to walkers. It still doesn't mean that getting a "beating" was deserved. That decition was the worst. Don't blame Seth for what he did cause it was only in reaction to what Brandon did

I do not condone drunk driving. But I don't drive around killing people because of it. You are a moron!!! I have more than once reported a drunk driver. I did not need to follow them off my regular course or get their license plate number. It is easy. i actually have a radio and can talk directly to dispatch or use a phone.

Sober witness being a solid statement sir, it goes to show what bad comes of drinking and driving, it also states ON THE MEMO FROM THE STATE ATTORNEY WHAICH IS CONFIRMED BY FACTS, that Seth stated this under disstress, either way his story provided on record was supported. It describes the evidence to prove his story that HE HAD BRUISES ON HIS CHIN AND ARM, THE SPRAY RESIDUE IN THE CAR PROVES HE WAS SPRAYED WHILE IN THE CAR AND NOT FROM FEET AWAY LIKE CHRIS SAID. It also stated that the bullet casing was found inside the vehicle which meant it was fired inside the car, not out the window

U don't need to call me names, ur aggrivation over a conversation shows that u are quite unable to have a intelegant discussion with someone. I have a question for u, y do u have a radio to talk to a police dispatch? Are u a cop? Who's playing cop now. Also it is obvious u don't read much, I stated and I state again, it was made clear that his decision to follow was in a belief that he was requested to follow, I don't see a problem with that.

This is my last post to you as you cannot even understand what i am trying to say. Do you ever hear me say that Brandon did nothing wrong? NO! All I want you to understand is that Seth did not do everything right. He did not follow Brandon because he waved to him and you know it! He wanted to get him arrested at least. He should have called the police gave them the vehicle description and that he pulled into the apt complex and went on his merry way. Everybody lived maybe Brandon gets arrested. That is it. I wonder how much tax money this used trying to investigate this.

Throwing stones, are we Dale? Well these two comments I directly copied from Brandi Baker's previous comments and pasted for you to see, when I made a valid assumption the parties were potentially intoxicated:

"They werent parting that will be show from the medical examiner"

"Wow really now your claiming my brothers on drugs. Keep sinking lower makes you look like more of an idiot."

Who's the moron now? Enough said,,,,,,,,

I never said it. I have no idea.

Security is a private field of public service. A trained person to be the first responder in absence of law enforcement. I find it hard to believe that Seth was able to make up such a story that was supported by PHYSICAL EVIDENCE so quickly. I know that I'm wasting my time trying to convince u but I am having fun making ur agruments into a laugh. I have a masters degree sir I am far from a moron

I get upset when this person claims to have fact. They do not even understand what a fact is. OJ was proven innocent of killing his wife. Does that make it a fact?

Dale I had no idea u were a firefighter sir, I. Thank u for what u do as a occupation but dissagree with ur reasoning/logic. Its not that hard to believe cause I know Seth isn't what people say he is. I'm sure he feels some guilt for his decition to follow and that might explain his silence I don't know I havnt seen him since the day b4 this occured

Yes and I am not one of those idiots.

This isn't the OJ trial, they didn't have enough evidence to convict him anyway. This has evidence which is defined as facts. Not to meantion no one in this case is a millionare to buy their way out

it is very wise to state that without one the other would not have happend cause that is true in every situation. I do realise that at the end of this we will just have to agree to disagree and know that we both argued our opinions to the end. I don't believe myself to be blinded by a "relationship" with Seth because we are not friends, he simply worked my neighborhood, but hearing the stories and reading the articles just interested me because I never knew someone in a situation like this but I drew a conclusion on day 1, followed this to the end and now have the FACTS from the evidence. On the same note ur just as blind as I am by ur relationship to Brandon.

With that being stated I also want to say that I also accepted in my mind that "if" things were flipped and Seth was charged for not being honest, etc. I would have still taken side with what evidence proved him guilty. I have to point out also that Stand Your Ground was MEANTIONED in the memo but ultimatly its still Castle Doctrine. He never left his vehicle, had the 2 been wanting to fight they both would have stopped and jumped out fighting, Seth stated and was able to prove he was unaware of instigating anything. I read comments that he was a "vigilanty" and looking for trouble, that is obserd and totally illogical, that is a ignorant persons way of rationalising a situation in their mind, this isn't batman. He was a conserned person.

You said u support the NRA, u carry and have reported people in the past. Put urself in this same situation, u see a person driving erratically(keeping in mind u are trained to identify signs of intoxicated driving.) The u begin to collect vehicle data; color, make, model, distinguishing features(rims, body kit) and if possible driver discription. For senario purpose say it takes u 40 seconds to gather this, how far have u traveled when going 50 down East Lake. Then the person notices, stops quickly and then runs up on ur car. Doesn't do like chris claimed and asks u why ur following him. He does what THE EVIDENCE STATED and begins hitting u while ur stuck in ur car and caught off gaurd. Is he armed? U don't know. Then joined by a second person who has blocked your rear escape and they are at ur vehicle also. Is he armed? You don't know. What do u do sir? I said shoot.

Its hard to accept cause ur friends with Brandon but I just have to say I agree with his reasoning in what he did. Some people say roll up ur window, I have power windows and they don't roll up very fast, also a window is just glass, a man of his strengh and adrinaline would easily punch through. I don't question that. Could he have drove away, evidence supports "no" so ill go with that if it said, yes he could have ran Brandon over then we would still have this outcry because he hit a man with a car and that could just as well of killed him. I'm going to state one more thing too. I don't think the family can sue.

Well Nunya I didn't realise I was being graded on my spelling and grammer, I posted comments to point out facts of a article not get a passing grade. U must be the person who spell checks txt messages right?. I'm don't know how old u are but I am 52 years old and I was talking. If insults are all u have as a defense on this topic then it means iv won this debate. As for ur inbox being full maybe u should just unsubscribe because clearly u lack intelligence and u should consult with ur parents before accessing the internet. Be careful out there special boy

Hey Nunya, fate attenzione che vi scopare con. spell that

I don't have time now to read ALL these posts, but wow. Nice to see you, Mark. Much respect to you, but I still think this case should go to jury. FIrst of all, none of you know what this "fight with Amy" was about. Maybe SHE was upset because he called her stupid for ..., and he was laughing about it. Maybe HE wasn't angry at all, she was. I absolutely believe as CC does, that this does not add up. The time line for Browning is all wrong, and he changed his story. He says Brandon waved him over, but he says he was following an erratic driver. He followed a LONG way, and he had been out of work for a LONG time. I believe completely that he knows the SYG law and he worked it. He wraps himself in the American flag. A patriot would know the Constitution. Our Constition does not promote vigilantism or murder. Another issue I have is that Seth wasn't injured. Brandon was a big guy, but he didn't physically hurt Seth with all those punches? C'mon. Also, Brandon had coke in his system -did Seth? Ummm, did anyone test the shooter? I would like to know if HE was tested? His 911 call really bothers me, as CC stated. He was so concerned about himself, and his future. He didn't seem distraught in the least that he actually took a life. Running into a wannabe like Browning on patrol appears to be a death sentence.... legally. I think he is a person we all need to fear.

nunya commented that I may have threatened with my last post, and we should possibly involve authorities. The post was deleted. Please let me clear that up. I, in no way, threaten anyone, or anything. I just truly believe that this was a senseless murder that didn't have to happen, and should not have happened. I believe we have the right to have it go before a jury, as per the Constitution. If a jury of 12 men and women stated that Browning had the right to go on patrol without a badge, and follow Brandon to his house, then murder him and claim self-defense, I would accept it. I would not have to like it, but I would accept that the Judicial System is set in place, followed, and working as best it can.

For Mark. You never commented on the other SYG article I posted a link to. Nothing will bring Brandon back! I am trying to focus my effort more on fixing the SYG type laws. It almost seems like if 2 people are alone or no witnesses that murder is OK. Question for you. If Chris had a gun, and in fear for his life, then shot Seth after his brother was shot would you also be in favor of him being set free on SyG laws?

Things that I would like to see changed:
Pursuit or instigation.- Needs to go to court and have all sides presented to a jury. We have to stop untrained people from enforcing the law.
Mandatory drug and alcohol testing for shooter.- Discharging a firearm on another human being should be at least as important as driving a car. Should be part on consent during application for concealed carry permit. Zero tolerance on this.
No witnesses- Not sure but I think it should go to trial if it is not blatently clear. I do not want politicians deciding the case. I would rather have a jury.

any thoughts?

Linda I've been to the scene as well, you can argue till your blue in the face or your finger tips on the keyboard begin to hurt that "he could have drove away" but the Memo from the State Attorney states "HE HAD NO ABILITY TO LEAVE" whether you have 70ft or not I believe its hard to drive away with a man hitting you. IT STATED THAT HE HAD MARKS ON HIS ARM AND CHIN, FACT. You have a habit of not reading very well but its ok cause I don’t mind pointing it out again. Also it seems everyone has developed this new theory of Seth rolling up a window and grabbing his pepper spray. AGAIN it states in the Memo that Seth pepper sprayed Brandon in reaction to being hit, which means Brandon had already stuck his body in the window. NO WINDOW WILL ROLL UP IF THERE IS A PERSON THERE. He got the pepper spray afterwards, used the entire can trying to spray Chris in defense and THEN pulled the gun as his LAST resort. Window theory disproved. Another new one is Linda presuming Seth to be on drugs also. Are you serious, that is the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard. He was at work and then the gym, not a bar. Don’t be rediculous and how do you know he wasn’t drug tested.

Another ridiculous thing I hear is “he followed him a long way” by now everyone should know he worked in Lansbrook Village Condo’s by Ridgemoor and East Lake. That’s a bit over 3 miles and depending on when this actually unfolded, if you drive down East Lake at 50mph they were only able to communicate for a very short time. This case was investigated by a whole team of forensics, detectives and lawyers. Not just one person. SYG would not have protected the Bakers in this case at all in any way. Seth never got out of the vehicle so if he were shot in his car your boy would have been canned. If Chris even owned a gun he would still go to jail cause he is a convicted Felon. Any argument you have is disproved by physical evidence and supports Seth. Open your eyes this guy attacked a man. I hope none of us have to be in this situation but in this case I call it how it is, cokehead rageaholic got what he had coming. Goodnight everybody see you on the next controversial topic.

This guy was 30 years old and coking up like an idiot kid. All you people baww about how Seth Browning should have called the police - if Brandon Baker was so butthurt or "threatened" (and have you seen pictures of this guy? he was obviously a huge thug) about being followed to his apartment complex - AFTER his brother pulled in after Browning and blocked him from escaping anywhere (see the other recent article on this site about this) - HE should've called the cops. Even if Browning chose to leave, his car would've still been trapped there and he would've been found.

But that's not what Brandon Baker did. Instead, he _CHOSE_ to go up to Browning's car - who followed him there out of concern, _because he thought Baker had motioned for him to do so!_ - and began to attack him. He _continued_ to attack him after being pepper sprayed. These two stupid, thuggish choices got him shot.

Frankly, I think anybody defending this guy is probably a closet thug themselves, and is realizing the time where they can get away with their behavior of terrorizing other people is rapidly coming to an end. This is a good thing. Bravo to the Seth Brownings of the world, and bravo to Florida's self-defense laws that favor law-abiding citizens over drugged-up thugs. This is the way it should be, everywhere.

Dale, I haven't taken a look at that site yet.....I will though in the near future....been down and out with the flu for the pass several days......Linda, nice to see your back. Brandi, if you did not know he was or wasn't intoxicated on alcohol and/or drugs then stating you didn't know would have been just fine or silence, which I've heard is golden. It is a reasonable assumption, that when individuals go to a bar, until near closing time, that consumption was taking place in some manner. Two things that disturb me regarding Seth statements are 1. When he claims that Brandon waived at him, he understood that as to follow him....I think that is BS.....It just doesn't make any sense. I doubt that occurred, yet even if it didn't happen, it is my belief the same results occur. 2. Seth's initial phone call to the dispatchers....in which I've already expressed my feelings of in previous comments.....just plain selfish. However, both of these disturbing acts don't affect the legalities of the case. Was Seth potentially concerned about Brandon's driving? Perhaps....Was Seth attempting to also be the tough guy from a rent a cop stand point? Perhaps....Was Seth shocked and did he potentially underestimate the actions of a highly intoxicated individual? Perhaps..But this again people..DOESN'T MATTER LEGALLY. Which is what I have been attempting to preach all along. I do believe they slipped by not screening Seth, but apparently he was not impaired by law enforcement standards to do so.

Look I've known Seth for four years bottoms line is simply this, these idiots who try to say Seth is a murderer are plain stupid, UNLESS YOU WERE THERE YOU DO NOT KNOW WHAT HAPPENED, so stop talking like you we're there. Everyone is saying that baker was " a wonderful person and wouldn't hurt anyone" hhmm I'm ire Seth chin an the guy that the baker brothers beat so badly he had to be hospitalized would disagree with that. Thug meets cop tried to be a hard ass and lost bottom line

I've attempted not to discredit any parties character when unprovoked to do so. Yet it is bothersome when Seth's character is scrutinized initially. I don't know either parties, yet I would be willing to bet both parties have 'wrap sheets' of some sort, with Seth's potentially being less 'severe', due to his job and future and/or past intent to serve our country (do not recall). Put it this way, the worse comment from thousands of comments I've read regarding Seth's character, is that he was a "hot rodder". I wont even mention the worse I've heard of the Baker boys character...'point taken?'....... Regardless, Dale is correct, even though we have complete different opinions of the unfortunate situation, I too, wish an actual cop would have pulled up behind Mr. Baker. He may have then suffered consequences by the law, yet he would be here today for his family to love. Question to Dale......Do you think your relationship with Brandon, affects your opinion of the incident? Just curious, because I understand your advocating for different issues regarding the situation etc. To be honest, I'm shocked that any non-bias individual knowing the facts of the case would have any different of a legal opinion than the State provided. I fully comprehend this is an immature statement at best...lol...but I just don't really see an argument here....but that's what makes America....America.....I guess......

These self defense laws and guns will enbolden a person to push the limits further than they would have without them. We need to keep them in check. I studied the laws quite well and advised my family that if there were any evidence that Brandon was inside seths car that he would probably not be charged. I don't agree with the force felony part of that either. Maybe a misdomeaner for punching someone but not a felony. I have seen forced felonies at the daytona 500. They going to charge Tony Stewert for punching Kurt Busch. Should give him a medal. Punching someone should not be a felony.

Maybe people shouldn't go around assaulting other people if they don't want to get shot!

Dale, I give you credit for taking the initiative on your beliefs. I would be fooling myself if I were to claim knowing the different FL laws in relation to your efforts. Yet, I admire your drive and dedication to fight for your strong beliefs. Regarding Seth leaving his vehicle, I'm fairly confident this particular action by Seth was only pertinent if he exited his car prior to Brandon's aggressive behaviors. In addition, it is my opinion Seth was simply what everyone has previous stated, in a 'rent-a-cop' mode of sorts. It is also my belief, we are given Seth more credit for his knowledge of the Fl conceal and carry laws than led to believe. As far as Mr. Baker's track record.....no comment.....I don't think it is relevant, but I have my opinions of his character and I will just leave it at that. The same goes for Seth. Dale I was befuddled when you stated the 'law isn't your biggest worry'? One last note, forensics have shown that Brandon was being aggressive towards Seth, while Seth was in the seat of his car.

Mark, Hope you are feeling better.
Lets take all stories from either side out of it and look at physiclal evidence. What evidence supports brandon was in car? No finger prints inside the car. Anything on the door is suspect. Door could be open or closed. Stiil no prints on inside of door. Smudge on door went down and toward rear of car. Pepper spray inside car. Doesn't tell us a lot. Shell casing in car. Still not real definative. Door could have been opened. Could have been completely outside car and shell ejected out of gun back into car. I think I could duplicate all of these showing the possibility that Brandon was not in car. Hopefully we can find another witness that saw Seth out of the car before the shooting. Pretty sure there is going to be a civil suit against Seth and CIS.

I got this quote off CIS website.
"CIS officers also receive training in unarmed defensive tactics...including the most important unarmed technique of all: Conflict De-escalation!"
Seth may have been absent that day.

I agree that Browning acted in self defense, however people should be less harsh on the Baker family because they still lost a love one.